Tanya Hale 00:00 

Hey there, welcome to Intentional Living with Tanya Hale. This is episode number 399, "Adam and Eve and the Partnership of Marriage, Part 2." Welcome to your place for finding greater happiness through intentional growth, because we don't just fall into the life of our dreams...we choose to create it. This is Tanya Hale, and I'm your host for Intentional Living. 

Tanya Hale 00:21 

Alright, hello there, my friends. So glad to have you here today, and I am delighted to share with you what I've got prepared for you today. Before we jump in, next Talk with Tanya is going to be March 10th. You can get signed up for that at tanyahale.com. Go to the group coaching tab and you will be able to get signed up there so that you can get an email with the link. This is just a free coaching call that I do and you can show up, you can participate, you can just listen, you can ask questions, you can get coached. It's just a really great discussion. It's something that I really, really love doing for you. 

Tanya Hale 01:00 

So next, my sense of self classes start the first week of March. If you have not taken one of these, I would highly recommend that you take a look at these and see if the times work for you. They're going to be Monday nights and Wednesday afternoons. I guess late morning if you are on the Pacific coast. But check those out. These are terrific classes. They are going to be really beneficial for anyone who feels like you're having a hard time showing up the way that you want to in your relationships. If you're having a hard time recovering from divorce, if you're having a hard time showing up in any relationship that you want to, your sense of self has so much to do with that. And as you strengthen your sense of self, you increase your capacity to engage in the way that you want to in your life. 

Tanya Hale 01:50 

So check those out. Would love to have you. They are both limited in number of people that I will allow in. So check those out. And even if you have taken a sense of self-class before, everyone that I have taught, we have had a different experience. And I think that you would really enjoy a different take, a different perspective. 

Tanya Hale 02:10 

And the last thing I just want to remind you of is that if you like the content that you're hearing in a podcast, for about the last year and a half, I have put in the show notes other podcasts that I have that will help to expound upon the content that we are talking about in this particular podcast. So go ahead and check that out. And that's going to do it for this. 

Tanya Hale 02:35 

Now, last week we got to listen to a conversation that I had with Louisa. And I just loved it. And I was telling you that she and her husband both spoke at church on that Sunday. And so I talked with both of them. And today you get to hear my conversation with Ken. Now, Ken's talk focused on Adam and on marriage equality and partnership with Adam in mind. And we had such a great conversation and I loved what Ken had to share about what it looks like to be in an equal marriage and how that shows up and what we need to do. I think you're just going to love this. Again, I am in American Samoa and we went to church our first Sunday here and Ken and Louisa spoke and gave these talks and Sione and I were just enraptured. I sat there with my mouth open probably the whole time and afterwards I just was overcome with emotion. I was just like, this was so good and so amazing. And I knew that I wanted to share what they have to share with you. We talk about the same kind of equality, but I loved that they brought the element of Adam and Eve into it. 

Tanya Hale 03:49 

So for those of you who are members of my church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you will recognize this doctrine that is talked about. For those of you who are not, this may be kind of just a little introduction into something that people from my church believe. And we have a different take on Adam and Eve than many of the people in the Christian world. And we believe that their role in the Garden of Eden was very important and that until they partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God's plan could not be enacted. And so we believe that what Eve did was not evil or horrible. We believe that it actually was very insightful and intelligent and courageous because she understood the necessity  of eating of the fruit in order to put into action the plan of God. 

Tanya Hale 04:45 

And so nothing to be scared about if this is different than what you believe. I think it will be very informative and kind of interesting. And if nothing else, give you something to think about in a way that maybe you haven't thought about it before. So you're going to love this conversation with Ken today, probably as much as you love the conversation that I had last week with Luisa. And if you missed that one, you're going to want to go back and catch that one as well. Both of these talks were just spectacular. And I'm super excited to share with you this chat that I had with Ken Kueaa. Enjoy. 

Tanya Hale 05:20 

Alright, Ken, thank you so much for being here. Just was so impressed by the talk that you shared last week in church, and I appreciate you taking time to share some of your thoughts with the amazing people that listen here. 

Ken 05:33 

My pleasure. It's a pleasure to be invited. Tanya, thank you very much for the opportunity. 

Tanya Hale 05:38 

Oh, just a pleasure for me to have you here. So I'm just going to have you go ahead and start jumping in and sharing your talk, and then we'll just like pop in occasionally and I'll ask you questions or if you want to stop and clarify something or whatever, like we'll just make it kind of you sharing your stuff, but also conversational. How does that sound? 

Ken 05:56 

Perfect. Sounds perfect. Okay. So last week in church, my wife and I had the opportunity to speak in what we call a sacrament meeting, where our congregation gathers sort of the first hour of church, if you will. And the topic that was given to us came from the Bible, the first book in the Bible called Genesis, and Genesis chapters three and four specifically. And in those chapters, we learn about Adam and Eve, obviously, and then what's commonly referred to as The Fall in Christianity and the conditions that followed after The Fall. And so those are kind of where my thoughts or my remarks are centered. And I'll share those with you. 

Ken 06:49 

In Genesis chapter 3, we see Adam and Eve in the beautiful Garden of Eden. And Lucifer, the adversary, or the devil, if you will, tempts them, and they partake of what's called the forbidden fruit. After hearing the voice of the Lord, they attempt to hide themselves among the trees. The Lord then calls out, "Adam, where art thou? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" I find the Lord's use of questions quite interesting. He is not asking to learn something He does not already know, for He sees and knows everything. Instead, I believe God is giving Adam an opportunity to account for his actions. 

Ken 07:39 

This was a good reminder as a parent. When we see our children fall short or disobey us, do we rush to judgment and punishment or are we patient like the Lord and make space for accountability and growth? Let's listen to Adam's response, though, to the Lord and the question posed, "the woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Adam's words are revealing, like a mirror through which we can see ourselves. Notice the sequence of his reply. First, he implicates the Lord in his transgression, "the woman whom thou gavest me." Second, he shifts blame to his spouse. "She gave me of the tree." And lastly, almost as an afterthought, does he mention his own choice. "And I did eat." 

Tanya Hale 08:42 

Can I just, I just love, when you shared that part in church, I was just like, oh, I love the clarity of that because that's not a male condition to want to look outside to blame. I think it's a very human condition that we all, our natural man tendency is to deflect responsibility away from ourselves and to blame other people. And yet when we start doing that in our relationships, in our relationship with God, as this showed, or in the relationship with our spouse, it's really detrimental in breaking down the trust and breaking down the intimacy that's available to us in relationship. 

Ken 09:25 

Most definitely. I find with Adam's response something that's very much common in relationships, where we, in his words, you notice how his transgression or his choice was framed as something that happened to him, not necessarily something that he chose to do. And I find that that sort of flipping the script, if you will, often happens in relationships. This kind of behavior, though, this is not the kind of leadership the Lord expects of a faithful husband and father. It is self-preservation at  the expense of relationship. Question... at times when we fall short, do we point outward before looking inward? 

Ken 10:04 

Just one chapter earlier, Adam rejoices at Eve's creation and declares, "this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh." Here we see unity and shared identity. But after Adam's transgression, unity gives way to blame. "We" becomes "she", and love turns into self-defense. This is one of the first ripple effects of The Fall. When shame enters relationships, the fallen or natural man's instinct, just as you mentioned, the instinct, the natural instinct is to hide, deflect, and blame. And in today's marriages, it often sounds like subtle self-protection, right? "You're the reason. If you would just..." "you always..." "you never..." "well, that's because of you..." fill in the blank. When we speak to each other with accusations that begin with those phrases, trust becomes a casualty. 

Ken 11:22 

Instead, let us pause and ask ourselves, what am I protecting here? My pride or our relationship? What makes Adam's response tragic is that even as he acknowledges his choice, he distances himself from Eve. Adam and Eve began with their partaking of the forbidden fruit, but it deepened as accountability gave way to deflection. That shift sets the pattern for family conflict and the strained relationships described in Genesis chapter 3, verse 16. But before we go there, I'm reminded of President Russell M. Nelson, a previous prophet of our church who passed away. And he gave this great counsel in a general conference. He said, "at this point, you may be thinking that this message would really help someone you know. But I hope you will look deeply into your own heart to see if there are any shards of pride or jealousy that are preventing you from becoming a peacemaker, a true disciple of Jesus Christ." 

Tanya Hale 12:31 

I love that. If I can just share a thought, there's a person that I quote quite often here on the podcast, and I love his work. His name is Terrence Real. And he always says, listen, "you can be married or you can be right, but you can't be both." And when our ego takes up so much space in the relationship, it does not create space for our partner. And we have to really check our ego at the door. When we walk into the relationship, there's no place in there for ego that says, I am right at all costs. Because as soon as we do that, we are being dismissive, we're being defensive, we are shutting down the capacity for true honesty. And we cannot have these partnerships until we are completely honest and open and vulnerable and seen by our partner because we choose to show up. 

Ken 13:27 

Oh, totally. I couldn't agree more. I wish I would have said that at church. 

Tanya Hale 13:33 

Call me next time. I'll set you up. 

Ken 13:38 

Well, turning to Genesis 3.16 that I referenced, right? In that verse, we read, "unto the woman, he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow, thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Now that phrase, "and he shall rule over thee," has been misinterpreted and misconstrued from one generation to the next, from one culture to the next. At first glance, the word shall sounds like a command, as if prescribing how marriage should function. But context matters. Earlier in the same verse, the Lord says, "in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children." We do not understand that as a command to suffer. Rather, it is a description of mortality outside the Garden of Eden. In like manner, "he shall rule over thee" is descriptive, not prescriptive. The Lord is describing a condition introduced by The Fall, not a command to be obeyed. 

Ken 15:00 

Remember what precedes this verse. Adam hides. He deflects responsibility. He exposes his wife to protect himself. Scripture does not present this as faithful leadership. It is presented as the natural man being shaped by The Fall. I think you wanted to mention...? 

Tanya Hale 15:21 

Yeah, I just, I think that that is just such a brilliant way to look at this because I think that that line has been interpreted as being a commandment for millennia, right? But I think when we start looking at it as a consequence, you know, that this is the natural man tendency to move into that space. And I have something that's totally not doctrinal here, but I really believe that in this beginning part, Satan was like, how can I best wreak havoc on humankind? And I think it was this piece right here. I think it was taking women out of the equality, taking men and women out of the equality, and men generally going Powered by  into a one-up position, and women generally going into a one-down position. And I think that putting that in motion with The Fall has wreaked more havoc in the history of humankind than probably any individual temptation that any of us receive. I think that that just across the board has harmed humanity in incredibly incomprehensible ways. 

Ken 16:35 

100%. And I described this initially at the beginning of my talk, describing Adam and Eve's relationship as the foundational relationship, right? And I firmly believe that, as you mentioned, Satan was striving to attack the foundation of the house that was being built for his children, right? And by chipping away and whatnot, getting at that foundation, he was able to topple the house, if you will, wanted to build with his children. And instead, we now have this unequal relationship of a man dominating or domineering or being authoritarian or just control everything, right? And the objective. I mean, submissive. 

Ken 17:24 

You know, in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve originally stood side by side. But after The Fall, and as we see from the interpretations of the misconstruction of this verse, hierarchy begins to replace partnership and marriage marked by fear, control, and domination rather than trust, unity, and love. To understand the ideal for marriage, we must look backward to the marriage he first ordained in the Garden of Eden. Before death entered the world, Adam and Eve were joined by God in a union without end. They were not married for convenience or survival, but they were joined in an eternal partnership, side by side, not one above the other. 

Ken 18:13 

This is why in the beginning, when God evaluates the creation of man, he says something He never said about any of His other creations. And I quote, "it is not good that man should be alone." Although Adam is in paradise and walks and talks with God and he is sinless, yet it is not good. God's solution to Adam's condition is partnership. God declares, "I will make an help meet for him." That phrase also has been misinterpreted and misconstrued across the generations, right? With so many believing that the woman exists merely as a helper, serving a subordinate supporting role to the man's main character. But in the original Hebrew, help meet is translated from the phrase ezer kenegdo. Ezer means help, in the sense of strength and power, rescue and deliverance. Ezer is the actual word used repeatedly in scripture to describe God himself as our ultimate helper. Kenegdo means corresponding to, equal, or face-to-face. In other words, God saw that alone the man could not become what He intended. So He created the woman, not to stand behind or below him, but with him as an equal. 

Ken 19:54 

Like God himself, Eve was endowed with the strength to rescue and deliver Adam. This was the divine design of marriage, a covenant partnership ordained by God to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man, of His children. Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles taught, "alone, neither the man nor the woman could fulfill the purpose of his or her creation. By divine design, men and women are intended to progress together toward perfection. Because of their distinctive temperaments and capacities, males and females each bring to a marriage relationship unique perspectives and experiences. The man and the woman contribute differently but equally to a oneness and a unity that can be achieved in no other way." 

Tanya Hale 20:56 

Oh, can I share that? I just love all of this so much because, I mean, it's a place where I've landed, especially in this second marriage that I'm in with my current husband. It's absolutely a place. But I remember growing up in the 70s and 80s and being taught in young women's that, you know, when you're married, you'll discuss things with your husband, but then he'll always have the final say because he's the priesthood holder. Like he's the one. And inherent in that, it says, he's smarter than you. He's better than you. He's more capable than you. And there was a piece inside of me that even as a teenager, I was like, that's just not right. And yet I felt so much allegiance to the Church as a whole, right, the gospel, that I thought, well, but if that's how it is, then I guess I just have to figure out how to fit, how to stay here, even though this feels uneven to me and it doesn't feel right. 

Tanya Hale 21:57 

And so I love that as I've gotten older, and I call it growing up into middle age, I love that as I've grown up, I've found this space where I'm like, I can start to see these exact concepts you're talking about and go, oh, this is why it always felt angsty to me inside, because it was not a true concept that I was less-than, that I was just there to be a little helper on the side, you know, to help him achieve great things, but I was just supposed to be this little tiny thing in the background. And maybe that's part of my ego speaking right there, right? That I wanted to be bigger than I was being seen as. But I don't know that it was all ego. I think it was also my spirit saying, no, we're not meant to be small. We are meant to be big, just as he is big,  not bigger, but also not smaller. We are meant to be equals. And I think more so than my ego, it was that part of my spirit saying, you need to step up. You need to be this partner, this equal partner. 

Ken 23:04 

You know, it's interesting. I grew up in the same timeframe that you're mentioning and was, you know, exposed or taught the same concepts, right? And the same thing. 

Tanya Hale 23:16 

From the men's side. 

Ken 23:17 

Right. And it's even though I'm a man, it still felt awkward. As a young boy, I was like, that doesn't seem right, you know? And then, you know, it's interesting to note that even here in Samoa, culturally, how that's kind of become ingrained in the culture. And we see that a lot of these concepts were introduced after the missionaries came, because pre-missionary contact, there was way more equality in our culture. But it's been in our words. Like there's a word we use respectfully. It's like almost like the highest term of respect you can use to address a married woman. And the word is faletua, right? And you use that anytime you see like the pastor's wife or the bishop's wife or the governor's wife or whoever, right? And you have a chance to you would use that word faletua. But when you break it down, the word fale means house, right? And the word tua means back. Village, right? There are specific houses. There's the chief's house, and then there's this faletele, the big house, where the chief meets, you know, and does all of his work, if you will. The faletua is the house in the back. And so socially, you can see how now it's gotten baked in where your respectful position, you don't even get into the faletele, the big house. You need in the back. 

Tanya Hale 24:51 

Yeah. And to be clear, when you talk missionaries, we're not talking Mormon missionaries. We're talking Christianity, Christian missionaries that came, right, that introduced Christianity. 

Ken 25:02 

Most definitely. Most definitely. And so I, you know, when my daughter was born, you know, I just, I didn't look at her as seeing somebody who's just going to be a helper, somebody else's helper, right? I viewed my daughter...Excuse me. Wow. Let it out. You can cry on this show all you want. 

Ken 25:26 

I think the world of my daughter. And I don't think she should be in any way treated as somebody's servant. She is just the most bright, talented individual, you know, a child of God, a daughter of God with that type of potential, and that she deserves that equality to shine. Right? And that allowing her that space benefits the whole, benefits the family, benefits the marriage, benefits society. And I think so many societies where there is that inequality, if they were to allow more gender equity in there, that those societies would just flourish way more than they have over the years. So I apologize going on that tangent. 

Tanya Hale 26:19 

It all fits in. I think it's beautiful. Thank you. 

Ken 26:22 

Yeah. But, you know, getting back to the talk, just to pick up there where we left off, you know, as we consider the divine design for marriage, what, you know, I'd like to ask those who are listening to your podcast, right? What is one thing that you think you could change to achieve that equal partnership in your marriage or in your relationship or in your house? The second question is, how has your spouse been a source of strength and deliverance in your life, as was defined with the word help meet, right? I know what it means to be strengthened and rescued by a faithful spouse. Last year, I went through a season of public criticism and personal humiliation that just grew exponentially on social media where I was just getting destroyed by hundreds and hundreds of people that I had no idea about, never met, but I just felt, literally felt broken and so ashamed. I felt that I had failed my family and dishonored our family name. And it was one of the lowest moments of my life. 

Ken 27:41 

But in that moment, my wife became my source of strength and deliverance. When I felt crushed, she steadied me. When I had no confidence left, she breathed it back into me. While I struggled to stand, she quietly carried our family forward. She  did not remove the trial, but she made it possible for me to endure it. And through her, I came to understand that God often answers our prayers for help by placing strength beside us in the form of a covenant-keeping companion. 

Ken 28:23 

The scriptures give us a quiet example of that same kind of covenant strength in a husband and a father. One of the best but unsung examples of a faithful husband and righteous father was Joseph of Nazareth. Joseph never gave a great sermon that made it into scripture. He didn't perform any miracles we're aware of. And to our knowledge, he never explained or complained about the challenges he faced. And yet, few men in scripture carried a heavier load. Joseph was asked to carry public shame for a pregnancy that was not his. He was asked to believe the unbelievable and to raise the Son of God. He was charged with protecting a family under constant threat from powerful government leaders. His obedience cost him his reputation, his certainty, and the comforts of a predictable life. At any point, he could have stepped away quietly. Jewish law allowed it. Society expected it. But Joseph stayed. He married Mary. He worked with his hands to provide for Mary and baby Jesus. And when warned in a dream, he did not question, but he acted swiftly and led his family hundreds of miles across the desert to Egypt. He chose to become a refugee to protect the lives entrusted to him. Joseph shows us what it means to be a faithful husband and a righteous father, an honorable priesthood holder. He does not seek recognition or explanation. He quietly accepts responsibility and acts in obedience to God. Joseph's greatness is not in what he is not in the things that he says, but in what he refuses to abandon. Joseph shows us that being a faithful husband and righteous father is not about power or recognition, but about stewardship, loyalty, and sacrifice. 

Ken 30:28 

Much of the most important work that a man or men will ever do will go unseen. May we have the humility and faith to do the work that is ours as husbands and fathers, regardless of what the world may think of us. Joseph's life reminds us that true love is proven not in comfort, but in consecrated sacrifice. In closing, I bear you my testimony that the restored gospel of Jesus Christ is true. The Fall explains why marriage became difficult and painful. The Atonement of Jesus Christ explains how marriage can become holy. I testify that the new and everlasting covenant of marriage restored through the prophet Joseph Smith is a covenant of equal partnership, not domination or blame, not self-preservation, but consecrated love. I testify that men and women are meant to stand side by side, strengthened by one another, refined through sacrifice, and made whole through covenant faithfulness. I have seen it in the lives of Adam and Eve, in the quiet obedience of Joseph of Nazareth, and in my own life through the sustaining power of a covenant-keeping companion. I testify that the covenant of marriage made possible through Jesus Christ and his holy temples has the power to heal what was broken in the fall and to restore unity, trust, and joy in our most sacred relationships. I know that God lives, that His great plan is a plan of happiness, and that as husbands and wives turn toward him and toward one another, He will sanctify their efforts and make them equal partners in His great work of saving souls. And I say this in Jesus Christ. Amen. 

Tanya Hale 32:17 

Oh, thank you, Ken. So beautiful. I love, I just appreciate so much your ideas. And I love this last little piece where the Atonement of Jesus Christ, His sacrifice is brought into our lives and into our marriages. Because I think, I really believe that it's only when we as individuals in the relationship are willing to self-confront, to turn away from the blaming, the accusing, the attacking, you know, when we are willing to turn away from that and look at ourselves and say, Lord, is it I? Where is it I? How is it I? I think that only when we're willing to do that and self-confront and look at how am I not showing up, treating my spouse as an equal. And this is whether we're male or female, right? I think, how am I not showing up as an equal, either from a one-up or a one-down place? And how do I clean that up? How do I use the Atonement of Jesus Christ to become that equal person that I need to be in order for my own personal growth to take place and also for the marital space to be able to grow and deepen and become that one that we have the potential to become? 

Ken 33:40 

100%. Man, you're great. 

Tanya Hale 33:45 

Oh gosh. I talk this stuff all the time, but I do love it. This is the foundation of everything that it takes for us to create these relationships. You know, I was married 24 years in a previous marriage that struggled, struggled, struggled on this front. We just could not figure it out. And as I have had the opportunity to be in this marriage with my current husband for almost four years now, the difference, the huge difference that I see is both of us showing up as equals. I mean, and we don't always, like, let's be honest, right? We're still humans. We still have a lot of the societal conditioning that has a lot of our initial responses and reactions stepping into that space. But as soon as we notice it and as soon as we self-confront and as soon as I step up or step down into equality, and the same for my husband, as soon as he steps down or steps up into equality, we  achieve that centered space in our relationship again that really allows for that trust to grow, that allows for that intimacy to deepen, and to just step back into this relationship that is mind-boggling to me, especially after my previous marriage, to be able to be creating something like this is unbelievable to me in so many ways. 

Ken 35:15 

Oh, I agree. I was thinking of the two terms that came to my mind were friction and synergy. Right. When there's a lack of equality, right? When there's imbalance, there's that friction that tension deepens into so many other things. But when there is equality, synergy can happen, right? And so much can synergy in terms of not just emotionally, but productivity, right? And just that relationship becomes so much more effective, productive, happy, et cetera. It's not that it's perfect. There's still disagreements and whatnot, right? But when you respect each other as equals and you allow each other the space to express yourself, to share, to challenge your perspectives, right? I think you have a better opportunity for synergy to take place in your marriage and so many from that synergy. 

Tanya Hale 36:09 

I love that perspective, like the friction and the synergy. Like when we are not equals, yeah, it throws everything off balance. You know, you think about the havoc that wreaks on your car when your tires are not equal, right? And not in balance. 

Ken 36:25 

And gears aren't lining up, right? And you're trying to shift and you just hear that grinding that just yeah. That's what marriage sometimes feels like, unfortunately, for us. 

Tanya Hale 36:36 

Yeah. Yeah. And that's what it shows up as when we are in that one-up or that one-down space. It's always, we're always going to feel that friction, that, that angstiness, that defensiveness that so easily comes up because our, you know, our primitive brain back there is all the time saying, am I safe? Am I safe? Am I safe? And if my primitive brain is saying, yeah, no, you're not really safe with this person, it's, it's really challenging to step into the vulnerability that's necessary to create this kind of equality. So. 

Ken 37:15 

Yeah, totally. 100%. And you think about it in terms of like just pressure building, right? Which leads to explosions when you have that friction, that tension. And sometimes it doesn't explode outwards, right? Sometimes there's, you know, explosive, I don't know the better term, but there's, it's impacting you health-wise internally, not having a release point or an ability, ability or space to bring that balance and resolution. A lot of things happen internally where you're experiencing your body is just changing, whether it's weight gain, whether it's ulcers, whether there's so many things happening to you physically because of the inequality, imbalance, stress that you're feeling. This is great. Enjoy it very much. Thank you very much for the opportunity to share and dialogue and exchange. I hope your listeners will enjoy it as much as I have or more so. 

Tanya Hale 38:15 

Gosh, I think they will love it. And just again, Ken, thank you so, so much for being willing to show up today and share your thoughts. I was really, as I said, I was just really touched by them and grateful to be able to share this with my listeners today. 

Ken 38:31 

My pleasure, my pleasure. Happiest New Year to you and your husband and to all of your listeners. May there be much happiness, many rainbows and sunshine in their midst. 

Tanya Hale 38:43 

Yeah, at this time of year, they're not living in Samoa, so there's no rainbows and sunshine for many of them. 

Ken 38:50 

Wait till next summer. 

Tanya Hale 38:52 

Yeah, just wait till summer, till our summer, right on the other side of the hemisphere. So, all right, thanks again. 

Ken 39:00 

Thank you very much, Tanya. Have a great one. 

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Tanya Hale 39:01 

Have a good one. Thank you. Bye-bye. 

Tanya Hale 39:06 

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